It is not particularly helpful to say around here each time we are talking about Africa's issues, that the same issues exist in the West. We know that! Stop being patronizing and condescending. For many years, many of us screamed ourselves hoarse about the travesty that is education in Nigeria. Many were in denial, reading us tired tripe from the screeds of liberal orthodoxy. The chickens have come home to roost. Orisa, if you cannot help us, don't hurt us. This is serious stuff, we are talking about the lives of generations of Nigerian children. Ruined. Who cares what happens elsewhere?
Sometimes you begin to understand why Africa is so messed up. Nonsense.
- Ikhide
On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sadly enough, paying to publish is now a common practice in the sciences
> in the U.S and UK.
>
> I remember a conversation with Prof. Tunde Zack-Williams on this
>
> subject, early this year with respect to social science journals.
>
>
>
> Tunde is more informed on this than I am, so I hope he can
>
>
>
> give some more info on this.
>
>
>
>
>
> GE
>
>
>
> ..................................................................
>
> Publication fees
> From OpenWetWare
>
> Publication fees by journals
> Scientific journal publication fees in US dollars
> Journal [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#> Fee in USD [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#> Comment [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#> Source [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#>
> BMC Biochemistry (BioMed Central) 1485 open access [1]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcbiochem/ifora/#h1general>
> BMC Biology (BioMed Central) 1775 open access [2]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/apcfaq#howmuch>
> BMC Medicine (BioMed Central) 1775 open access [3]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/apcfaq#howmuch>
> Genome Biology (BioMed Central) 2065 open access [4]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/apcfaq#howmuch>
> NAR Nucleic Acid Research 2670 open access, cheaper for members [5]<http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_journals/nar/announce_openaccess.html#Publication%20Charges>
> PLoS Biology 2850 open access [6]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Computational Biology 2220 open access [7]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Genetics 2220 open access [8]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Medicine 2850 open access [9]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases 2200 open access [10]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Pathogens 2850 open access [11]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PNAS 1700 average costs, paid access estimate of average<http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020105> PNAS<http://www.pnas.org/site/misc/iforc.shtml#charges>
> PNAS 2900 open access, cheaper if institution has PNAS subscription estimate of average<http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020105> PNAS<http://www.pnas.org/site/misc/iforc.shtml#charges>
> Nature Communications 0 only with subscription; open access costs extra [12]<http://www.nature.com/ncomms/authors/submit.html#Costs>
> Nature Communications 3570 open access option; subscription option free [13]<http://www.nature.com/ncomms/authors/submit.html#Costs>
> PLoS ONE 1300 open access [14]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> RNA
> A publication of the RNA Society
> Instructions for Contributors: Publication Costs
>
> Page charges. To help defray the cost of publication, corresponding authors who are members of the RNA Society will be charged $25 per page;
>
> corresponding authors who are not Society members will be charged $50 per page. Authors unable to meet these charges should include a letter
>
> of explanation upon acceptance for publication; inability to meet these charges will have no effect on acceptance and publication of submitted papers.
>
> Color Charges. Corresponding authors who are members of the RNA Society will be charged $225 for the first sheet of a color figure and $350 for
>
> each additional color figure plate. Corresponding authors who are not Society members will be charged $450 for the first color figure and $350 for
>
> each additional color figure. Price estimates are supplied upon acceptance of the paper. In cases where the authors cannot cover color art fees,
>
> but it is clear the figure must be presented in color, such fees may be waived at the discretion of the Editor. A letter explaining the circumstances should be sent to the Editor.
>
> Open Access Fees. For authors who wish to have their work immediately accessible to the entire community (Open Access), RNA Society
>
> members will be charged $1500; corresponding authors who are not Society members will be charged $2000.
>
> Article Reprints. A link to an Article Reprint order form will be included with the proofs.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Afolayan [mafolayan@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Unilag Journal Of Politics: Call for Papers-Some Clarifications
>
> One has to be in Nigeria to appreciate the position of the gentleman, Dele Ashiru. While it would be regarded a "no-no" on this side of the Great Divide to elicit money for submitting and publishing a standard academic paper, it would be difficult, it not altogether impossible, to see how a high quality, peer reviewed journal could be produced in Nigeria without the financial support of the authors, whether the journals are "e-" versions or paper copies. Until we have home-grown promoters and financiers of quality higher education culture, these kinds of conditions for submissions and acceptance of academic papers would prevail; they may just need to be controlled and strictly monitored.
>
> My two cents . . .
>
> Michael O. Afolayan
> USA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Olumide Olaniyan <olumydes@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Unilag Journal Of Politics: Call for Papers-Some Clarifications
>
> Hallo Dele Ashiru:
>
> Is it possible that this journal is also circulated in e-format for wider audience; your clarification is very important and appreciated.
>
> For instance, you may want to sent some of the previous editions via this forum, especially since you got sponsorship and affirmed that it is not for profit.
>
> many thanks
> olumide
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Let us go ahead. The struggle for a better world never ends - Victor Valle
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dele Ashiru <ashirudele@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 13:25
> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Unilag Journal Of Politics: Call for Papers-Some Clarifications
>
>
> I have followed with keen interest the controversy which my initial post on Unilag Journal of Politics: Call for Papers have generated. While I share the sentiments of great many scholars who have reacted to the post about the propriety of "paying" to ventilate research findings, I think it is important to make the following clarifications at least for posterity:
> 1) The Journal started with a grant from the Ford Foundation to the Department of Political Science, University of Lagos.
> 2) When the Funds from Ford dried up, the Editors resorted to self help in order to keep the journal alive by asking contributors to pay for assessment and production.
> 3) The money is often paid to assessors as honourarium to encourage them read and return manuscripts within the stipulated deadline.
> 4) Ridiculous as this may sound, this is the reality and tragedy of knowledge production and dissemination in Nigeria
> 5) For the avoidance of doubt, the Journal is not "cash and carry" as insinuated by some commentators. The payment of fee is not a guarantee that the paper will or must be published.
> 6) Manuscripts are blind peer reviewed by established scholars in the field and their assessment is sacrosanct.
> 7) Indeed, papers submitted by colleagues in the Department and Faculty have been rejected following assessors comment of 'poor quality' even after the payment of fees.
> 8) The journal is highly rated as this could be verified from the quality of papers published therein.
> 9) Finally, flowing from this controversy and in line with some suggestions by those who have reacted to the post, the Editorial team may want to review the question of payment or the modalities of payment and make such public for the benefit of all. This may include a commitment to publish well researched quality papers in the Journal whether the author agrees to pay or not.
> What must not be lost is that we solicit for scholarly contributions from you all for the survival of the Journal and we are open to suggestions and criticisms.
> Thank you.
>
>
> 'Dele Ashiru.
> Department of Political Science,
> University of Lagos,
> Lagos,Nigeria.
> +234-8026274712, +234-8019119573.
> http//:www.politicalscienceunilag.org
> http//:www.unilag.edu.ng
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Sometimes you begin to understand why Africa is so messed up. Nonsense.
- Ikhide
On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Emeagwali, Gloria (History)" <emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sadly enough, paying to publish is now a common practice in the sciences
> in the U.S and UK.
>
> I remember a conversation with Prof. Tunde Zack-Williams on this
>
> subject, early this year with respect to social science journals.
>
>
>
> Tunde is more informed on this than I am, so I hope he can
>
>
>
> give some more info on this.
>
>
>
>
>
> GE
>
>
>
> ..................................................................
>
> Publication fees
> From OpenWetWare
>
> Publication fees by journals
> Scientific journal publication fees in US dollars
> Journal [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#> Fee in USD [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#> Comment [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#> Source [http://openwetware.org/skins/common/images/sort_none.gif] <http://openwetware.org/wiki/Publication_fees#>
> BMC Biochemistry (BioMed Central) 1485 open access [1]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcbiochem/ifora/#h1general>
> BMC Biology (BioMed Central) 1775 open access [2]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/apcfaq#howmuch>
> BMC Medicine (BioMed Central) 1775 open access [3]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/apcfaq#howmuch>
> Genome Biology (BioMed Central) 2065 open access [4]<http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/authors/apcfaq#howmuch>
> NAR Nucleic Acid Research 2670 open access, cheaper for members [5]<http://www.oxfordjournals.org/our_journals/nar/announce_openaccess.html#Publication%20Charges>
> PLoS Biology 2850 open access [6]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Computational Biology 2220 open access [7]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Genetics 2220 open access [8]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Medicine 2850 open access [9]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases 2200 open access [10]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PLoS Pathogens 2850 open access [11]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
> PNAS 1700 average costs, paid access estimate of average<http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020105> PNAS<http://www.pnas.org/site/misc/iforc.shtml#charges>
> PNAS 2900 open access, cheaper if institution has PNAS subscription estimate of average<http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.0020105> PNAS<http://www.pnas.org/site/misc/iforc.shtml#charges>
> Nature Communications 0 only with subscription; open access costs extra [12]<http://www.nature.com/ncomms/authors/submit.html#Costs>
> Nature Communications 3570 open access option; subscription option free [13]<http://www.nature.com/ncomms/authors/submit.html#Costs>
> PLoS ONE 1300 open access [14]<http://www.plos.org/journals/pubfees.html>
>
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> RNA
> A publication of the RNA Society
> Instructions for Contributors: Publication Costs
>
> Page charges. To help defray the cost of publication, corresponding authors who are members of the RNA Society will be charged $25 per page;
>
> corresponding authors who are not Society members will be charged $50 per page. Authors unable to meet these charges should include a letter
>
> of explanation upon acceptance for publication; inability to meet these charges will have no effect on acceptance and publication of submitted papers.
>
> Color Charges. Corresponding authors who are members of the RNA Society will be charged $225 for the first sheet of a color figure and $350 for
>
> each additional color figure plate. Corresponding authors who are not Society members will be charged $450 for the first color figure and $350 for
>
> each additional color figure. Price estimates are supplied upon acceptance of the paper. In cases where the authors cannot cover color art fees,
>
> but it is clear the figure must be presented in color, such fees may be waived at the discretion of the Editor. A letter explaining the circumstances should be sent to the Editor.
>
> Open Access Fees. For authors who wish to have their work immediately accessible to the entire community (Open Access), RNA Society
>
> members will be charged $1500; corresponding authors who are not Society members will be charged $2000.
>
> Article Reprints. A link to an Article Reprint order form will be included with the proofs.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Afolayan [mafolayan@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Unilag Journal Of Politics: Call for Papers-Some Clarifications
>
> One has to be in Nigeria to appreciate the position of the gentleman, Dele Ashiru. While it would be regarded a "no-no" on this side of the Great Divide to elicit money for submitting and publishing a standard academic paper, it would be difficult, it not altogether impossible, to see how a high quality, peer reviewed journal could be produced in Nigeria without the financial support of the authors, whether the journals are "e-" versions or paper copies. Until we have home-grown promoters and financiers of quality higher education culture, these kinds of conditions for submissions and acceptance of academic papers would prevail; they may just need to be controlled and strictly monitored.
>
> My two cents . . .
>
> Michael O. Afolayan
> USA
>
> ________________________________
> From: Olumide Olaniyan <olumydes@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 7:44 AM
> Subject: Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Unilag Journal Of Politics: Call for Papers-Some Clarifications
>
> Hallo Dele Ashiru:
>
> Is it possible that this journal is also circulated in e-format for wider audience; your clarification is very important and appreciated.
>
> For instance, you may want to sent some of the previous editions via this forum, especially since you got sponsorship and affirmed that it is not for profit.
>
> many thanks
> olumide
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Let us go ahead. The struggle for a better world never ends - Victor Valle
>
> ________________________________
> From: Dele Ashiru <ashirudele@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013, 13:25
> Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Unilag Journal Of Politics: Call for Papers-Some Clarifications
>
>
> I have followed with keen interest the controversy which my initial post on Unilag Journal of Politics: Call for Papers have generated. While I share the sentiments of great many scholars who have reacted to the post about the propriety of "paying" to ventilate research findings, I think it is important to make the following clarifications at least for posterity:
> 1) The Journal started with a grant from the Ford Foundation to the Department of Political Science, University of Lagos.
> 2) When the Funds from Ford dried up, the Editors resorted to self help in order to keep the journal alive by asking contributors to pay for assessment and production.
> 3) The money is often paid to assessors as honourarium to encourage them read and return manuscripts within the stipulated deadline.
> 4) Ridiculous as this may sound, this is the reality and tragedy of knowledge production and dissemination in Nigeria
> 5) For the avoidance of doubt, the Journal is not "cash and carry" as insinuated by some commentators. The payment of fee is not a guarantee that the paper will or must be published.
> 6) Manuscripts are blind peer reviewed by established scholars in the field and their assessment is sacrosanct.
> 7) Indeed, papers submitted by colleagues in the Department and Faculty have been rejected following assessors comment of 'poor quality' even after the payment of fees.
> 8) The journal is highly rated as this could be verified from the quality of papers published therein.
> 9) Finally, flowing from this controversy and in line with some suggestions by those who have reacted to the post, the Editorial team may want to review the question of payment or the modalities of payment and make such public for the benefit of all. This may include a commitment to publish well researched quality papers in the Journal whether the author agrees to pay or not.
> What must not be lost is that we solicit for scholarly contributions from you all for the survival of the Journal and we are open to suggestions and criticisms.
> Thank you.
>
>
> 'Dele Ashiru.
> Department of Political Science,
> University of Lagos,
> Lagos,Nigeria.
> +234-8026274712, +234-8019119573.
> http//:www.politicalscienceunilag.org
> http//:www.unilag.edu.ng
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>
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