RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - BLAME OBAMA FOR S. SUDAN

"The  Stockholm syndrome refers to a situation  when hostages begin to develop positive feelings toward their captors, an effect thought to occur
 when victims' initially frightening experiences with their  kidnappers  are later countered with acts of compassion or
 comradery by those same individuals."

Maybe the above is relevant to Mandela.

 Or maybe not.  Maybe he was  just a nice man and a humanitarian at heart........although that does not explain his
willingness to adopt the  heartless  neo-liberal agenda of GEAR in 1996.


I have no evidence that the Mandela family is hoarding millions.  Which branch of the family are you talking about?
Any evidence?

It  is true that Mandela  made a   special request,   according to  one of the wikileaks  diplomatic documents.
  Although the request was blocked out,   I doubt that it was a request for money.



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Disagree. Yes Madiba was courageous but they were/are many courageous freedom fighters in SA. The reality is that Mandela was enabled by the Boer ruling class who calculated long ago that he (Madiba) would compromise whilst Biko stated clearly (and rightly) that whites in South Africa must accept real Black empowerment as opposed to the symbolic gestured of Mandela who conceded far too much (as Mama Winnie stated publicly). This is why Biko was killed and Mandela was allowed to live. Madiba opted to negotiate with the Boers clandestinely without the knowledge or approval of the ANC cadre. Whats worse he gets out of prison and never acknowledges Biko and Sobukwe for sustaining the Movement. Mandela becomes the movement. A clear indication that something is amiss. Meanwhile whites in South Africa still control the wealth and the best land, the Mandela family is hoarding millions of dollars, whilst the Black majority continue to be mired in poverty in their own land. The African world has been duped yet again with the empty rhetoric of "forgiveness" whilst the oppressors (Boers) haven't done anything of significance to warrant our generosity.

So, again, I say we really don't have a good grasp of what a "great leader" looks like. If your oppressors are praising you, you are clearly doing something wrong.

kzs

On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:32:12 AM UTC-5, John Mbaku wrote:
OA:

Let me repeat myself: good leadership, however you define it, is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the effective management of any entity--country, business, etc. Sufficiency requires laws and institutions that adequately constrain the leaders and effectively prevents them or their subordinates from turning into opportunists once they capture power.

Take just one of the great leaders you mention: Mandela--his greatness lies not in the fact that he was selfless, forgiving, and had a lot of integrity (of course, those are critical elements of a great  leader) but in the fact that he recognized the dangers of entrusting the future of his beloved country to men and women (be they white, black, colored, or Indian) who were not adequately constrained by the law. Hence, his insistence on democratic institutional reforms to create a post-apartheid South Africa whose governing process would be determined by a written constitution (Constitution of the Republic of South Africa 1996) and not by a group of "great leaders." Notice that the 1994 negotiations that brought about the end of apartheid in South Africa were not about cultivating good but about state reconstruction and institutional reforms to create institutional arrangements that guaranteed the just rule of law.

Mandela's South Africa will survive and continue to flourish, not because he left behind other leaders as great as he was but because he insisted on and succeeded in providing the country with a strong foundation based on one of the world's most progressive constitutions.

On Wednesday, December 25, 2013, kwame zulu shabazz wrote:

The Great Leader model is Eurocentric. Many so-called "great leaders" were vicious brutes who oppressed their neighbors and indigenes. Looking at your list, good ole George Washington was an Indian killer and slave owner. His dentures were extracted from the mouths of living Africans. In fact every American president is a war criminal. Virtually all of them endorsed slavery or Jim Crow. Napoleon's troop slaughtered tens of thousands of Haitians and he swore to forever stop the progress of Black people. Thus the irony is that "great" western leaders have been not so great for African people and their descendants.

kzs

On Dec 25, 2013 7:09 AM, "Anunoby, Ogugua" <AnunobyO@lincolnu.edu> wrote:

Groups, movements, organizations and countries need good leaders. Leadership- a collection of leaders  have to have a leader. Love your neighbor, laws and institutions, and peaceful resolution of … conflicts are great. There is however, a critical factor that underlies all attempts to mesh different and various communities and groups into a united and advancing nation- a constructive and patriotic  leader of leaders who may or may not conceptualize, but articulates, engineers, and implants the model of leadership and charts its trajectory. This is the lesson of the roles of Bismarck in Germany, Franco in Spain, Garibaldi in Italy, Khomeini in Iran, Mandela in South Africa, Ho Chi Ming in Vietnam, Gandhi in  India, Napoleon in France, Nyerere in Tanzania, Washington in the U.S.A., and many other great nation builders. Their great work succeeds if they prevail over their opponents/detractors (Mandela  v Buthelezi in South Africa for example), and their successors choose to remain faithful to the great leader's model of national cohesion and development (Mao, and Deng and others in China for example). It is not too dissimilar in great organizations,- businesses and institutions, and movements. Great leaders tend to be informed by and schooled on past ideas, thoughts, and movements. There are usually good students of both experiential and fabled history and are good strategic thinkers.

There is little question leadership in every country is an asymmetric collection of determined, albeit polarized individuals. What is also true and critical to effectiveness and success of the leadership group is that there almost always, one person who stands out and more than every other person, is able to maximally transmute the members of the leadership group into the composite, crystallized, focused, motivated, patriotic, political amalgam that it becomes. Macaulay was such a great leader in Nigeria. He chose Azikiwe (Zik) as his successor. Zik tried to lead as Macaulay wanted and wished  him to do. Zik failed to the extent that he was unable to overcome the strident execution of alternative agenda by his political competitors. The rest as they say is history.

Is enlightened, patriotic, not self-serving  leadership the problem in South Sudan? That is he question.



oa





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Groups, organizations, countries have to have good leaders. Love your neighbor; and laws, institutions, and peaceful resolution of … conflicts are great. There is however, a critical factor that underlies all attempts to mesh different and various communities and groups into a united and advancing nation- a constructive and patriotic  leader of leaders who conceptualizes, articulates, engineers, and implants the model and charts the trajectory of leadership. This is the lesson of the roles of Bismarck in Germany, Franco in Spain, Garibaldi in Ita

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