that's great to hear.
i loved reading the local press in dakar. much of the vibrancy of the
press in africa is unknown abroad; and furthermore, it explains why
there is such horrendous repression of it in rwanda, burundi, the drc,
because those govts are not willing to have public criticisms aired.
it makes the mainstream presses in the west seem very limited, often
ken
On 6/18/13 4:53 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
> Let me add that the faint hearted should not read South African newspapers.
>
> There are articles about land reform, the return of remains from the apartheid era,
> race relations today, Mandela's legacy and lots more.
>
> This is a historical moment with a flood of contemporaneous information
> for the historian. But as I said before, if you have a faint heart, go read something else.
>
>
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
> africahistory.net
> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abdullah [ibdullah@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FW: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
>
> No such thing as a 'fantastic pla ce in history'. It all depends on who is telling the story/writing the history.
>
> Ib
> -------
>
> On Jun 18, 2013 3:28 PM, "kenneth harrow" <harrow@msu.edu<mailto:harrow@msu.edu>> wrote:
> what did mugabe do with the lands he seized?? the mines he distributed to the army? was it justice that was served, or paying off his supporters and worse? ngugi wrote the book on corrupt land practices in kenya. i haven't seen anything to make me think it was any better in zimbabwe.
> i wish i could cite great things about s africa. what i've seen is that they are making all the right moves concerning land and housing, but at a scale that is too small to really resolve the economic injustices.
> and against that, indictments of the anc are very powerfully argued.
> ken
>
> On 6/18/13 10:59 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
> Peter Fabricius, a white south African judging from his photo,
>
> writes in the article earlier cited:
>
> "Remember Mandela conceded nothing of democracy"
>
> "....Yet Mandela still managed to reassure whites, essentially by the great force of his personality
> within the ANC and without and by a symbolic gesture like donning the no. 6 green jersey at the
> Rugby World Cup final in 1995, inviting his jailers to his inauguration and having tea with Betsy Verwoerd.
>
> But he conceded nothing of democracy, his detractors today should be reminded.
>
> Could he have done more for black South Africans, As his ex-wife evidently believes?
> Should he have seized white farms and businesses like Robert Mugabe.
>
> Perhaps.
>
> But then he would have had a war on his hands because whites, remember, still controlled all
> security agencies, Not even Mugabe tried that, at the point of transition......."
>
> AND THERE YOU HAVE IT.
> ...........................................................................
>
>
> Another headline in the Pretoria news. Friday June 14
>
> "White Black divide wide as ever."
>
> Sisonke Msimang, Exec. Director of the Open Society Foundation of SA
>
> "Our malls and our beaches, our gyms and our restaurants; these are open toall racesBut is you look beyond
> the gleaming surface of shopping malls, you will noteice that within the public spaces that we occupy side by side we
> rarely mix. We are like oil and water sitting on the same bowl."
>
> Misimang concludes with this :
> "Today the reconciliation process has been abandoned, and it shows......."
>
> But if ever there was a time to pick up the conversation in earnest where we left it a decade ago when the final
> report of the TRC was signed off, it would be now...Perhaps this could be the parting gift to
> Madiba.........
>
> AND THERE YOU HAVE IT.
>
> GE
>
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
> africahistory.net<http://africahistory.net>
> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<http://vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
> ________________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Emeagwali, Gloria (History) [emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:55 AM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
> I believe it was just an exaggeration. I have come to the conclusion that
>
> while Black South Africans respect Nelson Mandela they have a more sober
>
> view of him than the media would like us to believe.Writing in Pretoria News. Friday June 14, 2013.
>
> Peter Fabricius (don't know if this name is fabricated or real) wrote:
>
>
>
> 'It's true that Mandela is perhaps more revered by foreigners and-for obvious reasons- white South Africans
>
> than by many black South Africans -including his ex-wife Winnie Madikizela Mandela.'
>
>
>
> He then quoted Winnie Mandela's statement about Nelson:
>
>
>
> " Mandela let us down. He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically we are still on the
>
> outside."
>
> So when we evaluate Obama Mandela we have to be cautious.In any case
>
> the talk about the mountains of letters is quite false and even unnecessary. Whether there
>
> are a thousand letters or just ten- Mandela will still have a fantastic place in history.
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
> africahistory.net<http://africahistory.net>
> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<http://vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
> ________________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Assensoh, Akwasi B. [aassenso@indiana.edu<mailto:aassenso@indiana.edu>]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:08 AM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
> Professor Gloria:
>
> Many thanks for the refreshing news from South Africa. As a fellow historian, I was a bit perplexed to read earlier (before your posting) that a mountain of letters of support were left at the gate of Mr. Mandela's clinic or hospital. I wondered if they won't get wet in case it rains, but I am glad to know that only a dozen of such letters are there. Did they remove the mountain of letters and, possibly, left the latest ones, or it was just an exaggeration? My family and I are following Sky News and BBC news reports from the "Queendom" (UK).
>
> Have a safe trip back, as we await more "dateline South Africa" postings from you, a very reliable source.
>
> With gratitude,
> A.B. Assensoh.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] on behalf of Emeagwali, Gloria (History) [emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>]
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:15 PM
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> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
> Well first of all let me say that I believe that Winnie has been a regular
> visitor to the hospital.
>
> I may have missed her by some minutes
> when I decided to go by the Medi-Heart Clinic myself-
> where he is now located- to look around.
>
> What stunned me was the long line of paparazzi and media
> satellites lining the street....about two dozen at least.
> Call it a caravan of video cameras and equipment.
>
> Two friendly South African cops asked me for my permit
> but I let them know that I was just an ordinary onlooker.
> They joked and told me to pluck a leaf of a flower plant nearby
> in memory of the visit.
>
> When I discovered that my hotel was only 15 minutes away
> from the Clinic I decided that I had to see for myself. As for the mountain of letters
> of support on the gate of the hospital - that the international press
> talked about - well I only saw about a dozen letters.
>
> Meanwhile former ANC member, the charismatic Malema
> launched his party during the week - after
> he was relieved of most of his property, by court order.
> I was reminded that president Zuma may not have gotten in power
> without his support. Now they have fallen out.
>
>
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> africahistory.net<http://africahistory.net>
> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<http://vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
>
> ________________________________
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> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:08 AM
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>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
> By News Express, newsexpressngr.com<http://newsexpressngr.com><http://newsexpressngr.com>, on 15/06/2013
>
> Leaders across the world are bracing up for the death of former South African President Nelson Mandela, which could take place within days, going by his present health outlook. The iconic Mandela has been hospitalised again in serious condition for a lung condition since last week Saturday and prayers are being offered for his recovery.
>
> Officials in Washington and around the world are bracing for the death of the longtime civil rights leader, according to Washington Examiner.
>
> "It looks bad. Washington is keeping a close eye on the former leader and civil rights hero," the paper quoted one U.S. official as saying.
>
> Washington Examiner said "expectations are that President Obama and possibly former Presidents Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush would attend a funeral," adding that "no travel plans have been made, however."
>
> Mandela, who spent 27 years in prison before being freed and eventually winning the presidency, has been in a Pretoria hospital since exactly a week ago, his fourth hospital trip for lung ailments.
>
> "World leaders were shaken when Zuma on Saturday appealed for prayers and Mandela's wife, children's rights activist Graca Machel, canceled a speech in Britain to remain by his side," Washington Examiner reported.
>
> It said that "news reports noted that comments from South African officials have been suggesting that Mandela is near death. Jackson Mthembu, spokesman for the African National Congress, told Sky News that the party was 'prepared for the worst.' Even Mandela's estranged wife Winnie visited him."
>
> Back in March, there was another health scare for Mandela, but he recovered. He contracted tuberculosis while he was in jail for fighting apartheid. Freed in 1990, Mandela was elected president four years later. He helped to heal the years of segregation and rejected calls to continue in office beyond the first term.
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> •Photo: Mandela.
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i loved reading the local press in dakar. much of the vibrancy of the
press in africa is unknown abroad; and furthermore, it explains why
there is such horrendous repression of it in rwanda, burundi, the drc,
because those govts are not willing to have public criticisms aired.
it makes the mainstream presses in the west seem very limited, often
ken
On 6/18/13 4:53 PM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
> Let me add that the faint hearted should not read South African newspapers.
>
> There are articles about land reform, the return of remains from the apartheid era,
> race relations today, Mandela's legacy and lots more.
>
> This is a historical moment with a flood of contemporaneous information
> for the historian. But as I said before, if you have a faint heart, go read something else.
>
>
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
> africahistory.net
> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ibrahim Abdullah [ibdullah@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:25 PM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: FW: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
>
> No such thing as a 'fantastic pla ce in history'. It all depends on who is telling the story/writing the history.
>
> Ib
> -------
>
> On Jun 18, 2013 3:28 PM, "kenneth harrow" <harrow@msu.edu<mailto:harrow@msu.edu>> wrote:
> what did mugabe do with the lands he seized?? the mines he distributed to the army? was it justice that was served, or paying off his supporters and worse? ngugi wrote the book on corrupt land practices in kenya. i haven't seen anything to make me think it was any better in zimbabwe.
> i wish i could cite great things about s africa. what i've seen is that they are making all the right moves concerning land and housing, but at a scale that is too small to really resolve the economic injustices.
> and against that, indictments of the anc are very powerfully argued.
> ken
>
> On 6/18/13 10:59 AM, Emeagwali, Gloria (History) wrote:
> Peter Fabricius, a white south African judging from his photo,
>
> writes in the article earlier cited:
>
> "Remember Mandela conceded nothing of democracy"
>
> "....Yet Mandela still managed to reassure whites, essentially by the great force of his personality
> within the ANC and without and by a symbolic gesture like donning the no. 6 green jersey at the
> Rugby World Cup final in 1995, inviting his jailers to his inauguration and having tea with Betsy Verwoerd.
>
> But he conceded nothing of democracy, his detractors today should be reminded.
>
> Could he have done more for black South Africans, As his ex-wife evidently believes?
> Should he have seized white farms and businesses like Robert Mugabe.
>
> Perhaps.
>
> But then he would have had a war on his hands because whites, remember, still controlled all
> security agencies, Not even Mugabe tried that, at the point of transition......."
>
> AND THERE YOU HAVE IT.
> ...........................................................................
>
>
> Another headline in the Pretoria news. Friday June 14
>
> "White Black divide wide as ever."
>
> Sisonke Msimang, Exec. Director of the Open Society Foundation of SA
>
> "Our malls and our beaches, our gyms and our restaurants; these are open toall racesBut is you look beyond
> the gleaming surface of shopping malls, you will noteice that within the public spaces that we occupy side by side we
> rarely mix. We are like oil and water sitting on the same bowl."
>
> Misimang concludes with this :
> "Today the reconciliation process has been abandoned, and it shows......."
>
> But if ever there was a time to pick up the conversation in earnest where we left it a decade ago when the final
> report of the TRC was signed off, it would be now...Perhaps this could be the parting gift to
> Madiba.........
>
> AND THERE YOU HAVE IT.
>
> GE
>
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
> africahistory.net<http://africahistory.net>
> vimeo.com/user5946750/videos<http://vimeo.com/user5946750/videos>
> Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
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> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Emeagwali, Gloria (History) [emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:55 AM
> To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
> I believe it was just an exaggeration. I have come to the conclusion that
>
> while Black South Africans respect Nelson Mandela they have a more sober
>
> view of him than the media would like us to believe.Writing in Pretoria News. Friday June 14, 2013.
>
> Peter Fabricius (don't know if this name is fabricated or real) wrote:
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>
>
> 'It's true that Mandela is perhaps more revered by foreigners and-for obvious reasons- white South Africans
>
> than by many black South Africans -including his ex-wife Winnie Madikizela Mandela.'
>
>
>
> He then quoted Winnie Mandela's statement about Nelson:
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>
>
> " Mandela let us down. He agreed to a bad deal for the blacks. Economically we are still on the
>
> outside."
>
> So when we evaluate Obama Mandela we have to be cautious.In any case
>
> the talk about the mountains of letters is quite false and even unnecessary. Whether there
>
> are a thousand letters or just ten- Mandela will still have a fantastic place in history.
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
> Prof. of History & African Studies
> History Department
> Central Connecticut State University
> New Britain
> CT 06050
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> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Assensoh, Akwasi B. [aassenso@indiana.edu<mailto:aassenso@indiana.edu>]
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 6:08 AM
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> Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Fwd: ||NaijaObserver|| World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
>
> Professor Gloria:
>
> Many thanks for the refreshing news from South Africa. As a fellow historian, I was a bit perplexed to read earlier (before your posting) that a mountain of letters of support were left at the gate of Mr. Mandela's clinic or hospital. I wondered if they won't get wet in case it rains, but I am glad to know that only a dozen of such letters are there. Did they remove the mountain of letters and, possibly, left the latest ones, or it was just an exaggeration? My family and I are following Sky News and BBC news reports from the "Queendom" (UK).
>
> Have a safe trip back, as we await more "dateline South Africa" postings from you, a very reliable source.
>
> With gratitude,
> A.B. Assensoh.
>
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> From: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> [usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com<mailto:usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>] on behalf of Emeagwali, Gloria (History) [emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu<mailto:emeagwali@mail.ccsu.edu>]
> Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:15 PM
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> Well first of all let me say that I believe that Winnie has been a regular
> visitor to the hospital.
>
> I may have missed her by some minutes
> when I decided to go by the Medi-Heart Clinic myself-
> where he is now located- to look around.
>
> What stunned me was the long line of paparazzi and media
> satellites lining the street....about two dozen at least.
> Call it a caravan of video cameras and equipment.
>
> Two friendly South African cops asked me for my permit
> but I let them know that I was just an ordinary onlooker.
> They joked and told me to pluck a leaf of a flower plant nearby
> in memory of the visit.
>
> When I discovered that my hotel was only 15 minutes away
> from the Clinic I decided that I had to see for myself. As for the mountain of letters
> of support on the gate of the hospital - that the international press
> talked about - well I only saw about a dozen letters.
>
> Meanwhile former ANC member, the charismatic Malema
> launched his party during the week - after
> he was relieved of most of his property, by court order.
> I was reminded that president Zuma may not have gotten in power
> without his support. Now they have fallen out.
>
>
>
> Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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> World leaders prepare for Nelson Mandela's death
> By News Express, newsexpressngr.com<http://newsexpressngr.com><http://newsexpressngr.com>, on 15/06/2013
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> Leaders across the world are bracing up for the death of former South African President Nelson Mandela, which could take place within days, going by his present health outlook. The iconic Mandela has been hospitalised again in serious condition for a lung condition since last week Saturday and prayers are being offered for his recovery.
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> Officials in Washington and around the world are bracing for the death of the longtime civil rights leader, according to Washington Examiner.
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> "It looks bad. Washington is keeping a close eye on the former leader and civil rights hero," the paper quoted one U.S. official as saying.
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> Washington Examiner said "expectations are that President Obama and possibly former Presidents Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush would attend a funeral," adding that "no travel plans have been made, however."
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> Mandela, who spent 27 years in prison before being freed and eventually winning the presidency, has been in a Pretoria hospital since exactly a week ago, his fourth hospital trip for lung ailments.
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> "World leaders were shaken when Zuma on Saturday appealed for prayers and Mandela's wife, children's rights activist Graca Machel, canceled a speech in Britain to remain by his side," Washington Examiner reported.
>
> It said that "news reports noted that comments from South African officials have been suggesting that Mandela is near death. Jackson Mthembu, spokesman for the African National Congress, told Sky News that the party was 'prepared for the worst.' Even Mandela's estranged wife Winnie visited him."
>
> Back in March, there was another health scare for Mandela, but he recovered. He contracted tuberculosis while he was in jail for fighting apartheid. Freed in 1990, Mandela was elected president four years later. He helped to heal the years of segregation and rejected calls to continue in office beyond the first term.
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> •Photo: Mandela.
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