Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Mandela on Israel

Dear Professor Gloria in excelsis Emeagwali,

Apparently, Mr. Carter didn't learn the lesson that the Iranians taught him after he had fumbled and fumbled with the American hostage crisis which lasted all of 444 days and right up to the Presidential elections which he lost to Reagan who won by a landslide. He was one of those who was fooled by that fake letter purported to have been written by Madiba Nelson Mandela; it looks like he was easily duped because he was so eager to believe it.  I still have a lot of respect for President Carter  on other issues  but not for that his book or some of his positions on the Israel- Palestinian conflict  , and right now, although I don't want to call the seasoned Southern Baptist preacher names, of course Baptist preachers like to preach – and Apartheid does offer the opportunity of preaching -  like Desmond Tutu  - standing on high moral ground from which high ground to deliver his sermons.  I don't know how he relates to Genesis 12:3 , but,  in my humble opinion a real repentance from the peanut farmer would mean that he retract/change the odious title of his book, take away the misnomer  "Apartheid" from the title, because even Madiba who was a victim of Apartheid  and knew Apartheid well,  didn't refer to Israel with such a vile term and as I've already pointed out on many occasions Madiba issued statements that were strongly supportive of the Palestinian cause, indeed,  Madiba was a strong supporter of the Palestinian cause there's no gainsaying that – but with such a title, Jimmy Carter's book and not for example, Dennis Ross'" The Missing Peace" or  the so called New Testament became a best-seller among the Arabs in particular , since it was translated and made available in Arabic.

 He could change the book's title to "Peace not Terrorism"

Love and hate, two strong words: I hate Apartheid – I don't know whether or not President Carter wrote any book or books about Apartheid South Africa but I think that that if he seriously believed in the title that he gives the Holy Land, then he would become the first former American president to become a Mujahid  - like Dokubo-Asari ...

Pray for us!

We Sweden

For your information, I  recall that President Jimmy Carter called Israel an apartheid state .
Does his statement  hurt or help your story line?Add a link to his book, all the same.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
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From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com [usaafric...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cornelius Hamelberg [cornelius...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:46 AM
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Cc: Wanazuoni; Chambi Chachage
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Mandela on Israel

As has been admitted by the real author of the hoax – a Palestinian - that letter was not written by Madiba Nelson Mandela – and we all know that Madiba never equated and would never equate Israel with "an apartheid system" or what was Apartheid South Africa.

We also know that on many occasions Madiba issued statements that were strongly supportive of the Palestinian cause.

Just as Israel too was anxious for the Nigeria- Biafra Civil War to be speedily ended.<https://www.google.se/search?rlz=1T4NDKB_enSE548SE548&q=Israel+on+the+Nigeria-Biafra+Civil+War&oq=Israel+on+the+Nigeria-Biafra+Civil+War&gs_l=serp.12...5852.5852.0.7541.1.1.0.0.0.0.29.29.1.1.0.ernk_timepromotiona...0...1.1.32.serp..1.0.0.-TSog_IeF5Q>

 However let's be clear about this:

Israel is not an apartheid state – Lecture by Denis Prager<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/53525>

Not Apartheid<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/4080>

Israel and the Apartheid Slander by Richard J. Goldstone<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/opinion/israel-and-the-apartheid-slander.html?_r=3&>

The myth of 'apartheid' Israel<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/3988>

Is Israel an Apartheid State?<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/31437>

I rest my case and N. B. if Israel were an Apartheid state – God forbid -  I would have joined Hamas or Islamic Jihad and would be fighting on the side of the Pals, tooth and nail not to erect the 23rd Arab state in the area or a Sharia state called the Islamic Republic of Palestine in which non-Muslims would be dhimmis<https://www.google.se/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NDKB_enSE548SE548&q=dhimmis> – I would be fighting to help dismantle such an Apartheid State...

Sincerely,

We Sweden<http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/>


On Friday, 13 December 2013 15:06:59 UTC+1, Chambi Chachage wrote:
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Some shining messages from Mandela  for the Israelis.
Most of whom are living in a spécial bunker of their own.

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A must read.

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Date: 12 décembre 2013 02:54:03 HNEC
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Subject: Mandela had a moral compass; no double standards:

please circulate..

Mandela had a moral compass; no double standards : God bless his soul

Nelson Mandela's Letter To Tom Friedman, About The Palestinian Tragedy

MEMO
March 28, 2001

To: Thomas L. Friedman (columnist New York Times)
From: Nelson Mandela (former President South Africa)

Dear Thomas,

I know that you and I long for peace in the Middle East, but before you continue to talk about necessary conditions from an Israeli perspective, you need to know what's on my mind. Where to begin? How about 1964. Let me quote my own words during my trial.

They are true today as they were then:
"I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

Today the world, black and white, recognise that apartheid has no future. In South Africa it has been ended by our own decisive mass action in order to build peace and security. That mass campaign of defiance and other
actions could only culminate in the establishment of democracy. Perhaps it is strange for you to observe the situation in Palestine or more specifically, the structure of political and cultural relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, as an apartheid system. This is because you incorrectly think that the problem of Palestine began in 1967.
This was demonstrated in your recent column "Bush's First Memo" in the New York Times on March 27, 2001.
You seem to be surprised to hear that there are still problems of 1948 to be solved, the most important component of which is the right to return of Palestinian refugees.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military occupation and Israel is not a country that was established "normally" and happened to occupy another country in 1967. Palestinians are not struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa.

In the last few years, and especially during the reign of the Labour Party, Israel showed that it was not even willing to return what it occupied in 1967; that settlements remain, Jerusalem would be under exclusive Israeli sovereignty, and Palestinians would not have an independent state, but would be under Israeli economic domination with
Israeli control of borders, land, air, water and sea.

Israel was not thinking of a "state" but of "separation". The value of separation is measured in terms of the ability of Israel to keep the Jewish state Jewish, and not to have a Palestinian minority that could have the opportunity to become a majority at some time in the future. If this takes place, it would force Israel to either become a secular democratic or bi-national state, or to turn into a state of apartheid not only de facto, but also de jure.

Thomas, if you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of "I hate Arabs" and "I wish Arabs would be dead". If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 occupied territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is
not recognised as private property because it can be confiscated.

As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor. The so-called "Palestinian autonomous areas" are bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli apartheid system.

The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel's racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a "Jewish" state.

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its apartheid policies.

Thomas, I'm not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I'm not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you. When you figure out what you're about, give me a call.












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