Re: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Mandela on Israel

Prof Olayiwola M. Abegunrin,

As you are fully aware, in 1981, the Ivory Coast's Houphouet-Boigny was advocating peaceful "dialogue" with South Africa, whilst Patrick Wilmot was busy writing an article for a Nigerian newspaper – it was "The Guardian" if I remember rightly, in which he advised that Nigeria start dancing "mathematical rhythms", that Nigeria go nuclear with a good bomb or two, as that is the only kind of dialogue that could take place in lieu of a dialogue between a lamb and a lion.

 Dr. Wilmot had to go underground after that article. Shagari's policemen were out on the prowl, looking for him, to deport him back to Jamaica.

Re - your words: "South Africa under the apartheid rule was the only African country that developed nuclear weapon and it was with the help of the Israeli Government in the 1970s.The South African nuclear weapon was destroyed in 1992, during the negotiations between the White apartheid government and the ANC that led to black majority rule that elected Nelson Mandela as the first democratically elected President of South Africa in 1994"

There's certain logic to what happened. It would seem that it was deemed unwise by the oyimbo, to let/ allow Black Africans possession of nuclear weapons just around the time that was also being most feared as the coming "payback" time...the main fear being that, in possession of such powerful weapons of mass destruction, real Africans would not be able to exercise the necessary moral control and self- restraint against their enemies if war were to break out between black and any white oppressors...

We have been made to understand that after the liberation of Jerusalem in the Six Day War in 1967, the Arabs massively aided by petro-dollars, succeeded in persuading most of the African governments that Zionism = Racism and that they should break all diplomatic relations with Israel, as a result of which Israel was totally isolated except for a few countries such as Liberia – and the devil's Apartheid South Africa which had a tiny Jewish population at that time....

"Until the early 1970s, Israel sent hundreds of agricultural experts and technicians to aid in developing newly independent sub-Saharan African states, seeking diplomatic relations in return. The Arab countries, however, exerted pressure on such states to break ties with Israel. Most African states eventually complied with this pressure because of their need for Arab oil at concessionary prices and because of Arab promises of financial aid... Moreover, Israeli support for the Biafran secessionist movement in Nigeria alarmed the members of the Organization of African Unity, many of whom faced threatening national liberation movements in their own countries." FromIsrael Relations with African States (Sources: The Library of Congress Country Studies; CIA World Factbook)

A few more details:

The evolution of Israel's Africa policy

Arabs influence and PLO presence was quite extensive:

This is from page 257-8 of Aminatta Forna's "The Devil that danced on Water":

"Six years later I called on Sir Banja with the purpose of discovering what the two men had discussed during my father's visit long ago. Sir Banja told me an extraordinary story. He claimed to have had contact back in the 1970s with Yasser Arafat, as well as Mad Mike Hoare, the infamous South African mercenary whose name has for ever been dishonourably linked with the Congo and the war that culminated in the murder of Lumumba.  Arafat, he said, had offered to train forty fighters in Palestine to depose Stevens. ..."

These two recent articles about Israel- Africa relations are worth gleaning:

 Dated 6/12/2013 and 11/12/2013

 The last paragraph of the latter should whet the appetite of the most curious:

"After the apartheid regime fell, Malan was tried and acquitted on charges of massacring civilians. By way of a souvenir, Malan received a letter from Eitan dated June 10, 1981, three days after Israel bombed the Iraqi nuclear reactor. Eitan gave the operation, in other words himself, a score of 100. "Well, we did the deed," he rejoiced, "with iron determination not to allow these crazy Arabs to possess nuclear weapons. Anyone who tries to say that the nuclear reactor in Iraq was only for research purposes is wicked, cynical and oil, not human blood, flows in his veins. We are not perturbed by all the 'righteous souls' that all the crocodiles in South African rivers could not provide with enough tears to wipe out their hypocrisy."

Sincerely,

We Sweden

Get it straight, it was President Carter's book titled- "Palestine Peace not Apartheid," published in 2006. President Jimmy Carter prescribes steps that must be taken for the two States, Israeli and Palestine side by side to share "the Holy Land," without a system of apartheid or the constant fear of terrorism.
Mandela's Party-African National Congress (ANC) was a very close ally of Palestinians during the struggle for the liberation of South Africa from the apartheid rule, while the Israeli Government was a close ally of the apartheid government in South Africa and even helped the apartheid government in developing nuclear weapon. South Africa under the apartheid rule was the only African country that developed nuclear weapon and it was with the help of the Israeli Government in the 1970s.  The South African nuclear weapon was destroyed in 1992, during the negotiations between the White apartheid government and the ANC that led to black majority rule that elected Nelson Mandela as the first democratically elected President of South Africa in 1994.  Go and read "The Unspoken Alliance: Israel's Secret Relationship With Apartheid South Africa," by Sasha Polakow-Suransky, published in 2010.
Layi

 

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From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com [usaafric...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Emeagwali, Gloria (History) [emea...@mail.ccsu.edu]
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 12:57 PM
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Cc: Wanazuoni; Chambi Chachage
Subject: RE: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Mandela on Israel

For your information, I  recall that President Jimmy Carter called Israel an apartheid state .
Does his statement  hurt or help your story line?Add a link to his book, all the same.


Professor Gloria Emeagwali
vimeo.com/user5946750/videos
Documentaries on Africa and the African Diaspora
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From: usaafric...@googlegroups.com [usaafric...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cornelius Hamelberg [cornelius...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 8:46 AM
To: usaafric...@googlegroups.com
Cc: Wanazuoni; Chambi Chachage
Subject: USA Africa Dialogue Series - Re: Mandela on Israel

As has been admitted by the real author of the hoax – a Palestinian - that letter was not written by Madiba Nelson Mandela – and we all know that Madiba never equated and would never equate Israel with "an apartheid system" or what was Apartheid South Africa.

We also know that on many occasions Madiba issued statements that were strongly supportive of the Palestinian cause.

Just as Israel too was anxious for the Nigeria- Biafra Civil War to be speedily ended.<https://www.google.se/search?rlz=1T4NDKB_enSE548SE548&q=Israel+on+the+Nigeria-Biafra+Civil+War&oq=Israel+on+the+Nigeria-Biafra+Civil+War&gs_l=serp.12...5852.5852.0.7541.1.1.0.0.0.0.29.29.1.1.0.ernk_timepromotiona...0...1.1.32.serp..1.0.0.-TSog_IeF5Q>

 However let's be clear about this:

Israel is not an apartheid state – Lecture by Denis Prager<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/53525>

Not Apartheid<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/4080>

Israel and the Apartheid Slander by Richard J. Goldstone<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/01/opinion/israel-and-the-apartheid-slander.html?_r=3&>

The myth of 'apartheid' Israel<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/3988>

Is Israel an Apartheid State?<http://www.israpundit.com/archives/31437>

I rest my case and N. B. if Israel were an Apartheid state – God forbid -  I would have joined Hamas or Islamic Jihad and would be fighting on the side of the Pals, tooth and nail not to erect the 23rd Arab state in the area or a Sharia state called the Islamic Republic of Palestine in which non-Muslims would be dhimmis<https://www.google.se/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4NDKB_enSE548SE548&q=dhimmis> – I would be fighting to help dismantle such an Apartheid State...

Sincerely,

We Sweden<http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/>


On Friday, 13 December 2013 15:06:59 UTC+1, Chambi Chachage wrote:
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Some shining messages from Mandela  for the Israelis.
Most of whom are living in a spécial bunker of their own.

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A must read.

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From: Qazi Shaukat Fareed <far...@un.org>
Date: 12 décembre 2013 02:54:03 HNEC
Subject: Mandela had a moral compass; no double standards:

Subject: Mandela had a moral compass; no double standards:

please circulate..

Mandela had a moral compass; no double standards : God bless his soul

Nelson Mandela's Letter To Tom Friedman, About The Palestinian Tragedy

MEMO
March 28, 2001

To: Thomas L. Friedman (columnist New York Times)
From: Nelson Mandela (former President South Africa)

Dear Thomas,

I know that you and I long for peace in the Middle East, but before you continue to talk about necessary conditions from an Israeli perspective, you need to know what's on my mind. Where to begin? How about 1964. Let me quote my own words during my trial.

They are true today as they were then:
"I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

Today the world, black and white, recognise that apartheid has no future. In South Africa it has been ended by our own decisive mass action in order to build peace and security. That mass campaign of defiance and other
actions could only culminate in the establishment of democracy. Perhaps it is strange for you to observe the situation in Palestine or more specifically, the structure of political and cultural relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, as an apartheid system. This is because you incorrectly think that the problem of Palestine began in 1967.
This was demonstrated in your recent column "Bush's First Memo" in the New York Times on March 27, 2001.
You seem to be surprised to hear that there are still problems of 1948 to be solved, the most important component of which is the right to return of Palestinian refugees.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military occupation and Israel is not a country that was established "normally" and happened to occupy another country in 1967. Palestinians are not struggling for a "state" but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa.

In the last few years, and especially during the reign of the Labour Party, Israel showed that it was not even willing to return what it occupied in 1967; that settlements remain, Jerusalem would be under exclusive Israeli sovereignty, and Palestinians would not have an independent state, but would be under Israeli economic domination with
Israeli control of borders, land, air, water and sea.

Israel was not thinking of a "state" but of "separation". The value of separation is measured in terms of the ability of Israel to keep the Jewish state Jewish, and not to have a Palestinian minority that could have the opportunity to become a majority at some time in the future. If this takes place, it would force Israel to either become a secular democratic or bi-national state, or to turn into a state of apartheid not only de facto, but also de jure.

Thomas, if you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of "I hate Arabs" and "I wish Arabs would be dead". If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 occupied territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is
not recognised as private property because it can be confiscated.

As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor. The so-called "Palestinian autonomous areas" are bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli apartheid system.

The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel's racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a "Jewish" state.

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its apartheid policies.

Thomas, I'm not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I'm not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you. When you figure out what you're about, give me a call.












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