it's not rome you should worry about. the most conservative prelates
today are on the african continent, not in europe...
ken
On 6/12/13 7:09 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
> "This kind of thinking is going to upset the holy missionary fathers
> and mothers in Rome and all over the globe..."
> -------Mazi Cornelius.
>
> Mazi,
> I agree with you. It will surely upset your holy missionary fathers
> and mothers in Rome and all over the globe because, it will mean that
> their cultural subjugation (which they called conversion) of the
> "primitive tribe" of the lower Niger will end.
>
> CAO.
>
>
> On Jun 12, 1:09 am, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers" (
>> The Rt. Honourable Igbo Renaissance poet, the Rev. Chidi Anthony Opara,
>> pontificating)
>>
>> Chidi,
>>
>> This is one of the most interesting thoughts I have ever encountered in any
>> serious African oriented forum!
>> It's nothing short of ground-breaking !
>> Cultural awakening indeed or shall we say
>> cultural resurrection? Culture Revolution?
>> The Igbos will be born again?
>> This kind of thinking is going to upset the holy missionary fathers and
>> mothers in Rome and all over the globe...
>> As I told you before, my only regret is that I did not take up the offer of
>> joining the Arochukwu Society.
>>
>> "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
>> forefathers" ?
>>
>> So, what do you think Yoruba Catholics should do?
>> (How I wish that Rudolph Valentino Ojo was here!)
>> You won't believe how many Cubans here in Stockholm have tried to convert
>> me to Santeria....
>>
>> http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 June 2013 18:47:34 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>
>>> "One last question to you, Chidi : What are Catholics to do – Igbo
>>> Catholics in particular?"
>>> -----Mazi Cornelius.
>>> Mazi,
>>> Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
>>> forefathers.
>>> CAO.
>>> On Jun 8, 2:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Chidi,
>>>> OK, s-ht happens, has happened. I watched this a few days ago :*God
>>> wants
>>>> you* to *let go* of *your past so you can have* a *future*<
>>> http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja...>
>>>> So far Pope Francis
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Pope+Francis+...>has
>>>> impressed me at least in his personal relationship with poverty and with
>>>> the Jewish people<
>>> http://www.google.co.uk/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&cp=25&gs_id=...>
>>>> .
>>>> I still can't understand why the history of the Catholic Church – the
>>>> Inquisition<
>>> https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Inquisition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t...>followed
>>> a few hundred years later by what Roman Catholic adherents declare
>>>> was Pope Pius vs. the Nazis<
>>> https://www.google.se/search?q=Pope+Pius+vs.+the+Nazis+&ie=utf-8&oe=u...>etc.
>>> should still be a source of your current venom. I can understand that
>>>> some of your rage is being fuelled by the priestly disciples of Jesus
>>>> breaking their vows of brahmacharya by wanton acts of the on-going
>>>> paedophilia which Church discipline has not been able to curb – perhaps
>>>> because a lifelong vow of chastity is not consistent with the human
>>> nature
>>>> of most males – as the Gospel itself asserts in the words attributed to
>>>> Jesus, "*The spirit* is willing *but* the flesh is *weak* ." In the more
>>>> down to earth Islam, understandably, monkery<
>>> http://www.google.co.uk/#q=celibacy+is+forbidden+in+islam&spell=1&sa=...>is
>>> forbidden, even if some people are attracted to Islam lured by the idea
>>>> that paradise is some kind of whorehouse, where man – even eunuchs - can
>>>> fulfil their earthly passions on an even grander scale. So it comes as
>>> no
>>>> surprise that their role model number one himself had thirteen wives
>>> (the
>>>> other sheikhs and alhajjis legally limited to four wives - plus "those
>>> whom
>>>> their right hands possess"
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Islam+:+those+whom+their+ri...>(slaves
>>>> and concubines).but four or thirteen wives is but a drop in the bucket –
>>>> compared to King Solomon the Champion who according to popular legend
>>> had
>>>> over 800 (eight hundred) wives – after all Eve was created – as the
>>>> Almighty Himself said , as a help, so that man would not be alone.
>>>> Your main thrust is about what you call "Mafia" - I suppose you are
>>>> talking about the Church's enormous wealth – and it's probably because
>>> of
>>>> that wealth that celibacy has to be maintained – or the children would
>>> have
>>>> to "inherit". Otherwise why do you talk about the Holy See
>>>> <https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Holy+See&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rl...>in
>>>> terms of criminal activity?
>>>> I have discussed this your saying with one of my friends, Emmanuel
>>>> Ehirhieme of Edo State (Tribe : Esan: religion :Christian).
>>>> "While we were being taught in the Roman Catholic Church children's
>>> Sunday
>>>> schools in the 1970s that it would be like the head of a camel passing
>>>> through the eye of a needle for a wealthy person to enter heaven, the
>>> same
>>>> Roman Catholic Church through the Vatican bank was busy acquiring
>>> wealth."
>>>> ( Chidi Anthony Opara)
>>>> Emmanuel's bottom line: that prosperity is preached – it's not a sin to
>>> be
>>>> prosperous. He also said that the poor man or poor nation has no voice.
>>>> From an anarchist's point of view, "all property is theft" - but can we
>>>> accuse the Catholic Church of stealing – bearing in mind/heart the
>>>> Almighty's commandment Thou shalt not steal<
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_steal>?
>>>> One last question to you, Chidi : What are Catholics to do – Igbo
>>>> Catholics in particular?
>>>> On Friday, 7 June 2013 16:54:40 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>>>> Mazi,
>>>>> I do not want to be personal, so let us leave Arinze out of this. I
>>>>> know enough of the history of the Papacy, including its major sources
>>>>> of initial investments capital. I also suspect that you know. If Mazi
>>>>> Francis Nwaneri Opara (my father) resurrects today and he is elected a
>>>>> Pope (with God all things are possible), I will regard him as a Mafia
>>>>> overlord. Mazi, I do not know about mature and amateur "poe it", I do
>>>>> know that I agree with the opinion expressed in the post I was
>>>>> responding to. Furthermore, whatever you think that is beneath me is
>>>>> your subjective opinion, after all, some poets still maintain that
>>>>> posting my poems on Internet forums and on social networks is beneath
>>>>> me. Have that subjective opinion changed anything? Ndewo Mazi.
>>>>> CAO.
>>>>> On Jun 7, 1:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 2!
>>>>>> Chidi! Chidi !Chidi!
>>>>>> Now I chide you!
>>>>>> "Tell fren true noh pwell fren "
>>>>>> Surely, this is below you!
>>>>>> A refined man like you wanna echo an amateur
>>>>>> or mature poe-it talking through his orifice that
>>>>>> "Popes fought for office
>>>>>> like the nastiest of mafia
>>>>>> bosses" ?
>>>>>> Don't you think or know that with these very impious and un-poetic
>>> words
>>>>>> that you utter through your keyboard you are thereby dis-respecting
>>> the
>>>>>> religious chief of most of the world's Igbos?
>>>>>> C'mon Brother I don't have to remind you that just a while ago
>>> nearly
>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole of the former
>>>>>> Biafra was clapping hands as prayerful cheerleaders and people of
>>> hope
>>>>>> when advocating that Cardinal Francis Arinze should be elected Pope
>>>>>> Now, if it had been the Conclave's will that he be elected Bishop
>>> of
>>>>> Rome,
>>>>>> is this what you would be saying about him too – that he had been
>>>>> elected
>>>>>> to be head of the holy Mafia etc. etc. - and yet you want to go to
>>>>> heaven,
>>>>>> without a pardon?
>>>>>> On Friday, 7 June 2013 12:23:04 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>>>>>> "-----Popes fought for office like the nastiest of mafia
>>>>>>> bosses---------"
>>>>>>> ----Amatoritsero.
>>>>>>> They were, and still are, Mafia bosses surround by all the
>>>>>>> paraphernalia of Mafiadom. In the ages past, the instruments and
>>>>>>> methods of enforcement were crude. Presently, they are refined.
>>>>>>> CAO.
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 11:26 pm, Amatoritsero Ede <esula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ..."This was the dark ages in clerical as well as in any other
>>> term:
>>>>>>> popes
>>>>>>>> fought for office like the nastiest of mafia bosses; devilish
>>>>> intrigue
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> executions were not exempt"...
>>> http://www.mtls.ca/issue15/editorial/
>>>>>>>> Amatoritsero
--
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distinguished professor of english
michigan state university
department of english
619 red cedar road
room C-614 wells hall
east lansing, mi 48824
ph. 517 803 8839
harrow@msu.edu
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today are on the african continent, not in europe...
ken
On 6/12/13 7:09 AM, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
> "This kind of thinking is going to upset the holy missionary fathers
> and mothers in Rome and all over the globe..."
> -------Mazi Cornelius.
>
> Mazi,
> I agree with you. It will surely upset your holy missionary fathers
> and mothers in Rome and all over the globe because, it will mean that
> their cultural subjugation (which they called conversion) of the
> "primitive tribe" of the lower Niger will end.
>
> CAO.
>
>
> On Jun 12, 1:09 am, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their forefathers" (
>> The Rt. Honourable Igbo Renaissance poet, the Rev. Chidi Anthony Opara,
>> pontificating)
>>
>> Chidi,
>>
>> This is one of the most interesting thoughts I have ever encountered in any
>> serious African oriented forum!
>> It's nothing short of ground-breaking !
>> Cultural awakening indeed or shall we say
>> cultural resurrection? Culture Revolution?
>> The Igbos will be born again?
>> This kind of thinking is going to upset the holy missionary fathers and
>> mothers in Rome and all over the globe...
>> As I told you before, my only regret is that I did not take up the offer of
>> joining the Arochukwu Society.
>>
>> "Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
>> forefathers" ?
>>
>> So, what do you think Yoruba Catholics should do?
>> (How I wish that Rudolph Valentino Ojo was here!)
>> You won't believe how many Cubans here in Stockholm have tried to convert
>> me to Santeria....
>>
>> http://www.thelocal.se/blogs/corneliushamelberg/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 8 June 2013 18:47:34 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>
>>> "One last question to you, Chidi : What are Catholics to do – Igbo
>>> Catholics in particular?"
>>> -----Mazi Cornelius.
>>> Mazi,
>>> Igbo Catholics should go back to the worship ways of their
>>> forefathers.
>>> CAO.
>>> On Jun 8, 2:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Chidi,
>>>> OK, s-ht happens, has happened. I watched this a few days ago :*God
>>> wants
>>>> you* to *let go* of *your past so you can have* a *future*<
>>> http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja...>
>>>> So far Pope Francis
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Pope+Francis+...>has
>>>> impressed me at least in his personal relationship with poverty and with
>>>> the Jewish people<
>>> http://www.google.co.uk/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&suggest=p&cp=25&gs_id=...>
>>>> .
>>>> I still can't understand why the history of the Catholic Church – the
>>>> Inquisition<
>>> https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Inquisition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t...>followed
>>> a few hundred years later by what Roman Catholic adherents declare
>>>> was Pope Pius vs. the Nazis<
>>> https://www.google.se/search?q=Pope+Pius+vs.+the+Nazis+&ie=utf-8&oe=u...>etc.
>>> should still be a source of your current venom. I can understand that
>>>> some of your rage is being fuelled by the priestly disciples of Jesus
>>>> breaking their vows of brahmacharya by wanton acts of the on-going
>>>> paedophilia which Church discipline has not been able to curb – perhaps
>>>> because a lifelong vow of chastity is not consistent with the human
>>> nature
>>>> of most males – as the Gospel itself asserts in the words attributed to
>>>> Jesus, "*The spirit* is willing *but* the flesh is *weak* ." In the more
>>>> down to earth Islam, understandably, monkery<
>>> http://www.google.co.uk/#q=celibacy+is+forbidden+in+islam&spell=1&sa=...>is
>>> forbidden, even if some people are attracted to Islam lured by the idea
>>>> that paradise is some kind of whorehouse, where man – even eunuchs - can
>>>> fulfil their earthly passions on an even grander scale. So it comes as
>>> no
>>>> surprise that their role model number one himself had thirteen wives
>>> (the
>>>> other sheikhs and alhajjis legally limited to four wives - plus "those
>>> whom
>>>> their right hands possess"
>>>> <http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Islam+:+those+whom+their+ri...>(slaves
>>>> and concubines).but four or thirteen wives is but a drop in the bucket –
>>>> compared to King Solomon the Champion who according to popular legend
>>> had
>>>> over 800 (eight hundred) wives – after all Eve was created – as the
>>>> Almighty Himself said , as a help, so that man would not be alone.
>>>> Your main thrust is about what you call "Mafia" - I suppose you are
>>>> talking about the Church's enormous wealth – and it's probably because
>>> of
>>>> that wealth that celibacy has to be maintained – or the children would
>>> have
>>>> to "inherit". Otherwise why do you talk about the Holy See
>>>> <https://www.google.se/search?q=The+Holy+See&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rl...>in
>>>> terms of criminal activity?
>>>> I have discussed this your saying with one of my friends, Emmanuel
>>>> Ehirhieme of Edo State (Tribe : Esan: religion :Christian).
>>>> "While we were being taught in the Roman Catholic Church children's
>>> Sunday
>>>> schools in the 1970s that it would be like the head of a camel passing
>>>> through the eye of a needle for a wealthy person to enter heaven, the
>>> same
>>>> Roman Catholic Church through the Vatican bank was busy acquiring
>>> wealth."
>>>> ( Chidi Anthony Opara)
>>>> Emmanuel's bottom line: that prosperity is preached – it's not a sin to
>>> be
>>>> prosperous. He also said that the poor man or poor nation has no voice.
>>>> From an anarchist's point of view, "all property is theft" - but can we
>>>> accuse the Catholic Church of stealing – bearing in mind/heart the
>>>> Almighty's commandment Thou shalt not steal<
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_steal>?
>>>> One last question to you, Chidi : What are Catholics to do – Igbo
>>>> Catholics in particular?
>>>> On Friday, 7 June 2013 16:54:40 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>>>> Mazi,
>>>>> I do not want to be personal, so let us leave Arinze out of this. I
>>>>> know enough of the history of the Papacy, including its major sources
>>>>> of initial investments capital. I also suspect that you know. If Mazi
>>>>> Francis Nwaneri Opara (my father) resurrects today and he is elected a
>>>>> Pope (with God all things are possible), I will regard him as a Mafia
>>>>> overlord. Mazi, I do not know about mature and amateur "poe it", I do
>>>>> know that I agree with the opinion expressed in the post I was
>>>>> responding to. Furthermore, whatever you think that is beneath me is
>>>>> your subjective opinion, after all, some poets still maintain that
>>>>> posting my poems on Internet forums and on social networks is beneath
>>>>> me. Have that subjective opinion changed anything? Ndewo Mazi.
>>>>> CAO.
>>>>> On Jun 7, 1:04 pm, Cornelius Hamelberg <corneliushamelb...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 2!
>>>>>> Chidi! Chidi !Chidi!
>>>>>> Now I chide you!
>>>>>> "Tell fren true noh pwell fren "
>>>>>> Surely, this is below you!
>>>>>> A refined man like you wanna echo an amateur
>>>>>> or mature poe-it talking through his orifice that
>>>>>> "Popes fought for office
>>>>>> like the nastiest of mafia
>>>>>> bosses" ?
>>>>>> Don't you think or know that with these very impious and un-poetic
>>> words
>>>>>> that you utter through your keyboard you are thereby dis-respecting
>>> the
>>>>>> religious chief of most of the world's Igbos?
>>>>>> C'mon Brother I don't have to remind you that just a while ago
>>> nearly
>>>>> the
>>>>>> whole of the former
>>>>>> Biafra was clapping hands as prayerful cheerleaders and people of
>>> hope
>>>>>> when advocating that Cardinal Francis Arinze should be elected Pope
>>>>>> Now, if it had been the Conclave's will that he be elected Bishop
>>> of
>>>>> Rome,
>>>>>> is this what you would be saying about him too – that he had been
>>>>> elected
>>>>>> to be head of the holy Mafia etc. etc. - and yet you want to go to
>>>>> heaven,
>>>>>> without a pardon?
>>>>>> On Friday, 7 June 2013 12:23:04 UTC+2, Chidi Anthony Opara wrote:
>>>>>>> "-----Popes fought for office like the nastiest of mafia
>>>>>>> bosses---------"
>>>>>>> ----Amatoritsero.
>>>>>>> They were, and still are, Mafia bosses surround by all the
>>>>>>> paraphernalia of Mafiadom. In the ages past, the instruments and
>>>>>>> methods of enforcement were crude. Presently, they are refined.
>>>>>>> CAO.
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 11:26 pm, Amatoritsero Ede <esula...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ..."This was the dark ages in clerical as well as in any other
>>> term:
>>>>>>> popes
>>>>>>>> fought for office like the nastiest of mafia bosses; devilish
>>>>> intrigue
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> executions were not exempt"...
>>> http://www.mtls.ca/issue15/editorial/
>>>>>>>> Amatoritsero
--
kenneth w. harrow
faculty excellence advocate
distinguished professor of english
michigan state university
department of english
619 red cedar road
room C-614 wells hall
east lansing, mi 48824
ph. 517 803 8839
harrow@msu.edu
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